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Since Chase has so many good credit cards, you'll want to get as you can before you hit the Chase 5/24 limit. Avoid signing up for other personal cards, except those from Bank of America and other banks with similar restrictions, until after your finished getting the Chase cards you want.  
<li>'''The number of new credit cards you've gotten in the past two years determines how many "slots" you still have left'''. For example, if you have received 2 new cards in the past 24 months, you'll have 3 slots left. That means you have room to get 3 more personal credit cards before you will stop being able to get approved for any Chase cards. If you can't remember, you can check your credit report. {{Link|credit score}}.</li>
 
  
<li>'''Once you figure out how many slots you have, you need to determine which Chase cards are most important to you'''. Depending on your circumstances, you may not be able to get them all. If you want more cards than you have slots, you will need to prioritize your choices, or potentially wait for some additional time to elapse so that one of your cards becomes more than 2 years old.</li>
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'''Figure out how many remaining "slots" you have'''. You may need to look at your credit report, but try to figure out how many personal credit cards you've signed up for in the last 12 and 24 months, including cards where you are only an "authorized cardholder". For example, if you've signed up for a single personal card in the last year and another in the year before that, you have room for three more personal credit cards before you hit the Chase 5/24 limit, but only two more cards before hit the Bank of America 3/12 limit. {{Link|Credit Score}}.
  
<li>'''You need to get whichever of these cards is important to you, before you you hit the 5/24 limit'''.</li>
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Depending on the timing of your previous cards, new slots might be opening up soon, and you may get more room to open additional cards before you hit the limits.
  
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<li>'''Prioritize which affected cards to get'''. You need to decide the best use of your remaining Chase 5/24 slots. Perhaps you want to make sure to get a United Airlines card, the Hyatt card, a Sapphire card, and an Unlimited card. </li>
  
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You may also need to make room for any critical Bank of America, Barclays, Capital One Wells Fargo, and U.S. Bank cards you really want.
'''If you want to get the Southwest Companion Pass, your top priority is usually to get Southwest Airlines cards.'''. If you frequently fly Southwest, the Southwest Companion Pass is one of the most lucrative deals in travel hacking. It provides 2 for 1 paid and award tickets on Southwest Airlines and can be used an unlimited number of times, for up to two years. {{Link|Companion Pass}}.
 
  
The easiest way to qualify is to earn the signup bonus for both versions of the Southwest Business card or one of the business cards and one of the personal cards. By the tie you qualify for the signup bonuses, you will have already earned enough points (or nearly enough points) to qualify for the pass. And you'll still be able to use the points for over $3,500 in free flights.  
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<li>'''If you are willing and able to get business cards, you can mix these in at any time'''. Prioritize signing up for any business cards that have useful benefits, so you can start using them as quickly as possible. </li>
  
If you aren't willing and able to get business cards, it is much harder, but still possible, to qualify for the pass. Since Chase won't let you get multiple different personal Southwest Airlines cards, you are limited to only a single signup bonus. Depending on the current signup bonus level, this will get you about half way to qualifying for the pass. You'll need to complete the other half through some combination of flying, spending on your Southwest Airlines card, or other methods.
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<li>'''If you have any leftover slots available, use them to get the Chase and Bank of America cards with the best possible signup offers'''. You won't be able to get these cards later, but you will still be able to get cards from most other banks.</li>
  
If you decide to get a personal card to qualify for the pass, we recommend getting the Priority version of the card (unless one of the other cards currently has a higher signup bonus). The Priority version's $75 travel credit and larger number of anniversary bonus miles more than make up for its higher annual fee. And you'll get some additional ongoing benefits for your future Southwest Airlines flights.
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<li>'''Make sure to get any Chase business cards before you hit the 5/24 limit'''. You don't need to get them right away, but you do need to get them before you apply for your 5th personal card in the last 24 months. You can get other business card signup offers either before or after you hit the 5/24 limit.</li>
 
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'''If you frequently fly United, you’ll want to make sure to get a United card, to get access to free checked bags and other benefits'''. You can potentially save some serious cash by getting and keeping the United credit card—it lets you and a companion avoid the fee on your first checked bag and bring a carry-on bag on a basic economy ticket. It is also useful for people who frequently fly United, because cardholders get increased availability for both “anytime” and “saver” award redemptions. If you can, get the business version, so you don't have to use one of your 5/24 slots.
 
 
 
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'''Many people will want to get the Chase Unlimited combo, to earn the highest reward rates on much of their spending'''. The Unlimited and Sapphire Reserve cards work together to earn the best rewards for your travel and restaurant spending, and for any spending that doesn’t fit into a bonus category. [[Chase Unlimited Combo|Upgrade to the Chase Freedom Unlimited and Sapphire Reserve Card]].
 
 
 
The Chase Unlimited combo normally take TWO slots, one for each card. The Unlimited card's reward rate is not very interesting unless you have the Sapphire Reserve, Sapphire Preferred, or Ink Preferred card, so that you can transfer your Ultimate Rewards points to travel partners (or use them at more than 1 cent each to purchase travel). But none of the other cards earn more than 1x points on everyday purchases. Getting the Freedom Unlimited or Ink Unlimited card will boost your base reward rate to 1.5x points.
 
 
 
If you can, get the small business Ink Unlimited version. Like the personal version, it has no annual fee and earns 1.5x points on all purchases. But, it comes with a much higher signup bonus and doesn't use up one of your Chase 5/24 slots.
 
 
 
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'''And as a side benefit, the Sapphire Reserve provides a number of valuable travel benefits like airport lounge access and primary rental car insurance'''. We highly recommend this combination of cards for most travelers.
 
 
 
If you know you are going to be collecting signup bonuses, you are better off starting out with the Sapphire Preferred card. It offers a bigger signup bonus and a lower annual fee. You are also likely to have lounge access as a side benefit of other cards. When you stop focusing your spending on initial spending requirements, you can convert the Sapphire Preferred to the Sapphire Reserve to start getting higher reward rates.
 
 
 
While this is usually our approach, some people may want to take an alternative strategy. If so, getting the Sapphire Reserve and one of the Unlimited cards is not that critical. {{Link|advanced everyday}}.
 
 
 
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'''Bank of America's Altitude Reserve card is a lucrative card for anyone who wants to optimize their rewards for credit card spending, and is hard to get once you start signing up for a bunch of credit cards'''. While this isn't a Chase card, if you want it, you'll need to get it before you start starting up for a bunch of other cards. That means you'll generally need to apply before you sign up for enough cards to hit the Chase 5/24 limit. In other words, if you want this card, you'll probably need to use one of your Chase 5/24 slots to get it.
 
 
 
The main reason this card is interesting is that it earns 4.5% back on any purchase you make with digital wallets (like Apple Pay). This allows you to earn extra rewards at any brick and mortar or online business that supports mobile wallets. And with Samsung Pay, you can earn 4.5% at any location where you swipe your credit card.
 
  
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Once you've figured out which cards to get, you can get them in an order, as long as your finished once you hit the limit. If your credit utilization is high, you might want to get a few personal cards first to improve your credit score.
'''If you stay at Hyatt on a semi-frequent basis, the Hyatt card's ability to earn additional elite night credits can make it indispensable'''. You'll earn 5 qualifying nights just by having the card, plus 2 additional qualifying nights for every $5,000 you spend. This can help you earn the extra elite night credits you need to qualify for a higher level status or to earn a set of upgrade certificates or other milestone rewards. Even if you won't need the extra nights this year, if you think you may need them in future years, get the card now, while you still can.
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'''Even if you don't need the elite the night credits, you may still want to prioritize this card for its other ongoing benefits'''. If you've got room for one more card, you might want to get the Hyatt card, rather than just choosing a card with the highest possible signup bonus. It provides a valuable free night certificate, the opportunity to earn a 2nd certificate each year (with $15,000 spend), a great reward rate on paid Hyatt stays, and some minor Hyatt elite benefits.
 
 
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'''The Amazon Card earns 5% back at Amazon (and Whole Foods)'''. This is a great card for people who want to optimize the points they earn from their purchases. Because you can simply add it to your Amazon account and not worry about it again, it doesn't make your life any more complicated. If you can, get the Amex Amazon Business card instead. It has the same reward rates, a slightly higher signup bonus, and lets you use your Chase slot on another card.
 
 
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'''The Chase “Freedom” card is interesting, but you are probably better off prioritizing other cards instead'''. The “Freedom” card is a different card than the “Freedom Unlimited”. It earns 5x points on purchases made in a set of categories that change every quarter. This is an incredible reward rate, since the points are worth around {{Value|ur}} cents each. However, these rewards are capped at $1,500 of spending per quarter, so you can only earn up to an 30,000 bonus category points per year (or 21,000 points on top of the Unlimited Combo's base earning rate). It is a bit of a hassle to use this card effectively, so be sure you are willing to invest the effort before prioritizing this card too highly, especially because the signup bonus is so low. {{Link|Rotating Category}}.
 
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<li>'''Any personal card you get, before you hit the limit, blocks your ability to get one of the affected Chase cards'''. If you sign up for a card from another bank, you'll have one less slot available. Because Chase has so many good cards affected by the rule, you'll miss out on getting a card with a lucrative signup bonus, and/or with valuable travel or reward benefits.</li>
 
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Chase limits you to a maximum of two new credit cards every month, but we wouldn't recommend getting more than one card per month or two. The faster you expand the amount of your credit with Chase, the more nervous Chase might get that you are going to become a credit risk. If you don't spend enough to quickly meet the minimum spending requirements to earn the signup bonuses, you'll need to slow down even more. You never want to miss qualifying for the bonus. {{Link|initial spend}}.
<li>'''You can't apply for all these cards at the same time'''. Chase limits you to a maximum of two new credit cards every month, but we wouldn't recommend getting more than one card per month or two. The faster you expand the amount of your credit with Chase, the more nervous Chase might get that you are going to become a credit risk. If you don't spend enough to quickly meet the minimum spending requirements to earn the signup bonuses, you'll need to slow down even more. You never want to miss qualifying for the bonus. {{Link|initial spend}}.</li>
 
  
<li>'''Once you've determined which cards you have room for, you can apply for them in whichever order is most convenient'''. For example, the Southwest Priority card may be your most important card, but you may want to wait until the end of the year to get it. So, you might get the Freedom Unlimited card first, to start earning a better reward rate on your everyday purchases. Or, if you have an upcoming trip on United Airlines, you might want to get the United card quickly, to take advantage of its free baggage benefit.</li>
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Mix in any non-Chase cards to slow down the speed at which you sign up for Chase cards.  
 
 
<li>'''If you are planning to use one of your slots on the Altitude Reserve, you should get it as quickly as possible''', to increase your odds of approval. Make sure to check out the Altitude Reserve guide, as their are some other steps you may need to take.</li>
 
 
 
<li>'''You can mix in as many business credit cards as you want'''. With the exception of Discover and Capital One cards, they won't take up any of your Chase 5/24 slots. Mixing in business cards lets you take advantage of cards from other banks sooner and spreads out your Chase applications (which is good).</li>
 
 
 
<li>'''If you really don't want to wait to take advantage of a particular credit card's benefits, you can consider getting it before you hit the Chase the 5/24 limit'''. For example, even though it "wastes" a slot, you may want to get the Citi Prestige card (for its valuable 4th night free benefit), the Alaska Airlines card (for its companion certificate and checked bag benefit), or the Hilton Aspire card (for its free night certificate), so you can take advantage of their benefits for an upcoming trip; or you may want to take advantage of a particularly good promotional signup offer, while it is still available.</li>
 
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Many of the the best travel and reward credit cards come from Chase. Unfortunately, because of something called the "Chase 5/24 rule", you may need to take special steps to get approved for these cards.

If you’ve already received 5 or more credit cards during the previous 24 months, Chase won't approve your credit card application (regardless of your credit score or income).

They don’t just count cards you received from Chase. They count all the (personal) cards you’ve received from any credit card company, and even include cards for which you were simply added as an authorized user.

If you are following our advice, you are about to start applying for a set of new credit cards—to take advantage of their travel benefits, signup bonuses, and/or reward earning rates. Once you hit the 5 card limit, you won’t be able to be approved for most Chase cards.

As a result, we recommend that everyone sign up for these Chase cards first, and only after hitting the limit, continue on to other cards.


Business credit cards and the Chase 5/24 rule

Before discussing our basic Chase 5/24 strategy, it is helpful to understand how business credit cards can help you partially get around the Chase 5/24 rule. The approach you'll wind up taking will depend on whether you are willing and able to take advantage of business cards.

  • Business credit cards don't count against the 5/24 limit . Even though your personal credit report is used to approve you for new business cards, once you get them, most business cards aren't listed on your report and won't be counted towards your 5 card limit. The main exceptions are cards from Discover and Capital One. Chase doesn't even count their own business cards, even though they obviously know that you have them.
  • As a result, you are free to get as many business cards as you want, without affecting your Chase 5/24 status. You can get them at any time in the process, without needing to worry about getting Chase cards first. That means that you can start taking advantage of cards from other banks, before you finish getting all the Chase cards you want. For example, you could get the business version of the Delta Airlines card to start taking advantage of its checked bag benefit without affecting your ability to get Chase cards you may want.
  • Most people are eligible to get small business cards. As long as you have any type of side business (like selling stuff on eBay or doing some independent contracting), you are entitled to sign up for small business credit cards. You don't need to be incorporated and, in most cases, you don't even need to have made any money yet. Unlock Extra Reward Points with Business Credit Cards.
  • You need to get any Chase business cards BEFORE you hit the 5/24 limit. The way that Chase handles their own small business cards is confusing. If you have gotten 4 or fewer new cards over the past 24 months, Chase will approve you for new business cards and your count won't change. Even if you get a couple of business cards, you'll still have the same number of remaining slots. But as soon as you get a 5th card, you'll no longer be able to get any Chase cards, even the business ones. In other words, even though the United Business Explorer and Chase Ink Preferred card don't count against the limit, as soon as you hit it, you won't be able to get them.
  • It is often better to get the business version of a card (if one is available). If you are under the Chase's limit or Bank of America's similar limit, it won't use up any of your slots and you'll have the flexibility to take advantage of any Chase or Bank of America cards you may want later. If you over the limits, it may let you get back under them more quickly.

Maximize your Chase 5/24 slots

Since Chase has so many good credit cards, you'll want to get as you can before you hit the Chase 5/24 limit. Avoid signing up for other personal cards, except those from Bank of America and other banks with similar restrictions, until after your finished getting the Chase cards you want.

    Figure out how many remaining "slots" you have. You may need to look at your credit report, but try to figure out how many personal credit cards you've signed up for in the last 12 and 24 months, including cards where you are only an "authorized cardholder". For example, if you've signed up for a single personal card in the last year and another in the year before that, you have room for three more personal credit cards before you hit the Chase 5/24 limit, but only two more cards before hit the Bank of America 3/12 limit. Monitor Your Credit Score to Make Sure Everything is On Track. Depending on the timing of your previous cards, new slots might be opening up soon, and you may get more room to open additional cards before you hit the limits.
  1. Prioritize which affected cards to get. You need to decide the best use of your remaining Chase 5/24 slots. Perhaps you want to make sure to get a United Airlines card, the Hyatt card, a Sapphire card, and an Unlimited card.
  2. You may also need to make room for any critical Bank of America, Barclays, Capital One Wells Fargo, and U.S. Bank cards you really want.

  3. If you are willing and able to get business cards, you can mix these in at any time. Prioritize signing up for any business cards that have useful benefits, so you can start using them as quickly as possible.
  4. If you have any leftover slots available, use them to get the Chase and Bank of America cards with the best possible signup offers. You won't be able to get these cards later, but you will still be able to get cards from most other banks.
  5. Make sure to get any Chase business cards before you hit the 5/24 limit. You don't need to get them right away, but you do need to get them before you apply for your 5th personal card in the last 24 months. You can get other business card signup offers either before or after you hit the 5/24 limit.
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    Once you've figured out which cards to get, you can get them in an order, as long as your finished once you hit the limit. If your credit utilization is high, you might want to get a few personal cards first to improve your credit score. For a detailed plan of cards to get first see:


    Timing Your Applications

    Chase limits you to a maximum of two new credit cards every month, but we wouldn't recommend getting more than one card per month or two. The faster you expand the amount of your credit with Chase, the more nervous Chase might get that you are going to become a credit risk. If you don't spend enough to quickly meet the minimum spending requirements to earn the signup bonuses, you'll need to slow down even more. You never want to miss qualifying for the bonus. Tips to Easily Meet the Initial Spending Requirements of New Credit Cards.

    Mix in any non-Chase cards to slow down the speed at which you sign up for Chase cards.

    Use any remaining slots to collect Chase signup bonuses

    Not everyone is going to decide to collect signup bonuses. But if you do, you'll want to take steps to collect Chase signup bonuses before you hit the 5/24 limit. Credit Card Signup Bonuses: The Easiest Path to Free Airplane Tickets and Hotel Nights.

    Collect Bonuses from the Chase Business Cards Before You Hit 5/24

    If you are interested in collecting signup bonuses and you ware willing and able to get business cards, you should get as many remaining Chase small business cards you want, before you go over the 5/24 limit. They won't affect your 5/24 status and you won't be able to get them later.

    You may have already decided to get the Southwest Premier Business, Southwest Performance Business, United Business, and Ink Unlimited cards. If not, consider getting those, along with the Ink Preferred and Ink Cash cards.

    Chase sometimes limits the number of Ink cards a small business can get. Start with Ink Preferred cards, as they have the most valuable signup bonus. You can always convert between the different varieties of Ink cards (after the first year), if you want, in order to unlock the various bonus category reward rates.

    You can often earn signup bonuses on multiple copies of the same Ink cards. Unlike most of their other cards, there is no 24 month limit to earning signup bonuses. Apply for one of your first two copies with an SSN and the other with an EIN to increase the likelihood you'll get approved. Getting an EIN is free and easy to do. Then you can keep applying and see if Chase is willing to give you additional cards.

    Once you are done getting the Chase cards that are most important to you, and potentially collecting as many of the Chase business card signup offers as you can, you should use any remaining Chase 5/24 slots to earn the most valuable signup bonuses.

    If you aren't already planning on getting a Sapphire card, it is usually the best option. If you are already getting the Sapphire Reserve, you can't also earn a bonus on the Sapphire Preferred. Chase only allows earning the bonus on one Sapphire card every four years! But, if you aren't planning on getting the Sapphire Reserve, sign up for the Sapphire Preferred to earn its 60,000 Ultimate Rewards point bonus. The annual fee is waived the first year.

    If you want to focus on points that are easy to use, get the Hyatt and/or a Southwest Airlines card next. It is easy to redeem points with both programs, and both cards provide other useful benefits. As mentioned above, you can only receive the bonus on one of the personal Southwest Airlines cards every two years.

    The United Explorer is also a decent option, typically offering 40,000 United miles. But, the current 50,000 mile offer is even better.

    The Marriott Card is probably your next best option. Its normal signup bonus is 75,000 points. Keep in mind, that it will block you from getting the signup bonus on the Marriott Business and Marriott Brilliant (premium) card for 24 months.

    There is some risk of getting too many Chase cards. Each time you apply, Chase reevaluates your entire relationship. If they decide that you are a potential risk, they can shut down all your accounts. Some people can get them reinstated, and some can't. Unfortunately, there isn't really a clearly identifiable pattern, so there are no hard and fast rules to follow. We wouldn't get more than a total of 8 Chase cards, including small business cards. This won't guarantee that you avoid a shutdown, but seems like a reasonable trade-off between risk and reward.

    It is also worthwhile to start reducing the credit limits on your existing Chase cards, before you apply for more.

    Strategies to continue qualifying for the Southwest Companion Pass

    If you qualify for a Southwest companion pass by earning your signup bonuses towards the beginning of the year, you will have access to the pass for almost two years.

    When the pass expires, most people will to want to re-qualify for it. But to do that, you’ll need to be under the Chase 5/24 limit.

    • The simplest approach is to have one person stick to a smaller number of cards. Every two years, they are eligible for a total of 5 personal cards. Assuming they are willing and able to get business cards, they can get 5 personal cards, both Southwest business credit cards, and whatever other business cards they want, every two years.
    • With just personal cards, they'd have to reserve one of the 5 slots every two years for one of the Southwest cards and earn the remaining companion pass qualification requirements through other earning options.

      The other person doesn’t need to worry about the signup limit and can get as many cards as they want.

    • The skip-a-year method. Under this approach, you get all the credit cards which are most important to you, including the Southwest Airlines cards, during the first year. That way, you can be sure to get all the cards you want for your core credit card collection and collect all the best signup offers. Then, you stop signing up for new credit cards.
    • A year later, your Southwest pass will expire, but you won’t be able to immediately re-qualify. About two years after you finished your initial burst of signup activity, you’ll back under the limit and will be able to apply for the Southwest Airlines cards again. Depending on how quickly you acquired the other cards you want, you may only need to live without the pass for 12-18 months.

    Possibilities for bypassing the rule

    If you are over the 5/24 limit, it is almost, but not completely, impossible to get approved for Chase cards.

    • If you are “pre-approved” in-branch, you will usually be able to get the card, even if you are over 5/24. You need to ask your banker to see if you are pre-approved for any cards and you need to fill out the application in the branch (not online). Just be aware that if you are over 5/24, there is a very low likelihood that you'll have any pre-approved offers.
    • Some other pre-approved offers. On the "Offers for You" section of the Chase website, you may see credit card offers that are marked with a green star and "Already Approved" or a black star and "You're pre-qualified". If these offers state a fixed APR, not a range of percentages, they will bypass the normal 5/24 limits. If you use the United mobile application and you see a pre-qualified offers for the United Explorer card with a fixed APR, it should also bypass the 5/14 limits. Any other Chase offer, where it seems like you are pre-qualified or already approved, including all offers with an adjustable APR, will NOT bypass the limits.
    • If you have a more significant business, you may be able to get approved for additional cards. You will need to have your own “Business Relationship Manager” at Chase, and it will only work if you fill out a paper-based application form.
    • Being a Chase Private Client no longer exempts you from the rule. During the earlier days of the Chase 5/24 rule, Chase didn’t always apply the rule to its best customers. If you were a Chase Private Client, your application might still have gotten approved or you could have gotten approved by having your personal banker help you with the reconsideration process. While anything is possible, this doesn't appear to still be working.

    Getting under Chase 5/24 again

    Our basic approach to the Chase 5/24 rule is simple. Sign up for as many affected cards as you can, move onto other cards, and don’t look bac.

    But if Chase cards are extremely important to you, you can use a one-year-on, two-years-off strategy.

    With this approach, you go crazy with credit cards signups and then go (close to) cold-turkey for two years. At the end of your two-year abstinence, you can sign up for another set of Chase cards again, then a bunch of other credit cards, and then possibly go cold-turkey again.

    During the two “down years”, you can always sign up for a particularly amazing or useful card. You’ll still get under the 5-card limit around the same time. You'll just wind up having room for one less Chase card, when you do. And you can still sign up for as many business cards as you want the entire time.

    Also, there is no hard and fast rule about how long your active period should be. You could limit it to six months, so you can get Chase cards every 2.5 years; or you can lengthen it out to 2 years and get a set of Chase cards every four years.




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