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=== Uncovering the name of a hidden hotel on Hotwire: the easy way ===
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=== Easy hotels ===
  
'''On and off over the last couple of years, Hotwire has been showing the "exact" number of TripAdvisor reviews for each of its hidden hotels, which lets you very quickly uncover the identity of the hotel'''. Previously, Hotwire has only shown a range for the number of reviews, such as “1000 - 2000” to avoid the ability to make a definitive match.
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'''It is extremely easy to uncover the name of many of Hotwire's "secret" hotels'''. When you click on the secret hotel's "What hotel will I get?" button, Hotwire will often show you the name of three possible hotels.  
  
Sometimes, it does this only on some of the various Hotwire platforms (PC-based web, tablet-based Web, Hotwire Tablet app, mobile-web, and the Hotwire phone app). So, if exact review counts are not available when you look, you can try one of the other user interfaces and see if you get lucky.
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Since Hotwire also includes regular hotel listing on their site, all you need to do to determine the name of a hidden “Hot Rate” hotel, is find the “Standard Rate” hotel with the exact same number of TripAdvisor reviews.  
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'''Every time you close the possible hotel list and re-open it, Hotwire will show a slightly different list'''.  
  
In our example, we are looking for 4-star resort with 7,463 reviews.
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'''By the time you do it 2-4 times, you will notice that only a single hotel shows up every time'''.  
  
'''To make it easier to find the matching hotel listing, simply set all of the filters to match the hidden hotel you want to identify'''. In this example, we set the hotel zone to "Ka'anapali" (using the map), the Hotel class to 4 stars, the TripAdvisor recommendation to 80%+, and the TripAdvisor Rating to 4+. That narrows down the list to make it easier to find the matching hotel—the Hyatt Regency.
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In this example, you'll be guaranteed to get the Fairmont Olympic, as it is the only hotel to show up every time the guaranteed list is displayed.
  
'''Another helpful approach is to filter the list to "good" hotels in a single neighborhood at a time, and then simply sort by star rating'''. Whenever you see an appealing mystery hotel, you can usually find the matching regular hotel listing within a few items in the list.  
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Unfortunately, for some hotels, Hotwire doesn't show a list of three hotels. They only show some potential hotel brands. For those hotels, you'll need to do more work.  
  
Note that the number of reviews for the hotel won't exactly match the actual number of reviews on TripAdvsior, because the Hotwire information is only updated periodically.  
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=== Harder hotels ===
  
=== Uncovering the name of a hidden hotel on Hotwire: the harder way ===
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On and off over the last couple of years, Hotwire has been showing the "exact" number of user reviews for each of its hidden hotels and each of its "standard rate" hotels. As a result, you could very quickly uncover the identity of the hotel by simply matching the two listings with the exact same number of reviews (and hotel rating). To make things simpler, you could sort and filter the list, so that the secret hotel listing and the corresponding named hotel were often displayed directly adjacent to each other in the search results. 
  
Hopefully, Hotwire will continue to show exact TripAdvisor counts. But, if they go back to hiding the exact information, you can still uncover the name of the hotel. You'll just have to work a bit  harder.  
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Unfortunately, Hotwire has been limiting the number of hotel results on every search, so that very few "Standard Rate" hotels are included in the results. As a result, you often can't simply locate the named hotel in Hotwire's own search results.
  
For this example, we'll show how this can be done using the mystery hotel offer that was discussed in our main Hotwire article. It turned out to the Westin Maui. But let’s see how we could have figured out what hotel it was ahead of time.
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'''To find the matching hotels, you'll need to compare the Hotwire hidden hotel listings to the regular listings on another Expedia-family website'''.  
  
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For example, here's a potentially interesting listing from our example search in Seattle that unfortunately doesn't show actual hotels when you click "What hotel will I get?".
  
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<li>'''Determine the candidate hotels'''. The first step is to narrow down the list of possible hotels, based on the star rating and neighborhood. On Hotwire, if you click on the regular “Hotels” tab, next to the “Hot Rate Hotels” tab, you’ll switch over to their normal hotel listings.</li>
 
  
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In the past (and hopefully in the future), you only needed to find the regular hotel listing on Hotwire for a 3.5 star hotel with a 4.6 rating, and exactly 1,036 user reviews. For the time being, you'll need to find it on another site. $198.
 
Then, you can set the filters (on the left-hand side) to the star ratings and neighborhood the match the offer you are interested in:
 
  
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<li>'''Search for hotels on [//www.expedia.com Expedia]''' or another Expedia family site. Search for the same dates and location as you do on Hotwire.</li>
The main part of the page will then show a list of the potential hotels you might be getting. Just be aware that it is not a true “filter”—the list will still show hotels that don’t exactly match your selected neighborhood or star ratings; however, the ones that do match will be at the top. Make sure you look at the neighborhood and star rating for each hotel to determine which of the hotels are truly candidates for the Hotwire hotel.
 
  
At this point, we’ve narrowed down the list of possible hotels to the Westin, the Sheraton, the Westin Villas, two different Marriott Ocean Clubs, the Honoa Kai, or the Ka’anapali Alii.
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<li>'''To make it easy to find the hotel, filter by star rating and sort by guest rating'''. You need to filter or sort by star rating in order to get them to display for each hotel. We suggest filtering by star rating so that you can sort by guest rating.</li>
  
<li>'''Open each possible hotel in its own browser tab'''. On a computer, you can click on each one, while holding down the <ctrl> key.</li>
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In this example, we filter by three (and three-and-a-half) star hotels. If you wanted to match a bunch of hotels, match the 5 star, 4 and 4.5 star, and 3 and 3.5 star hotels as separate groups.  
  
<li>'''Eliminate the hotels that don’t match the price range, TripAdvisor rating, and bed type of the Hotwire hotel'''. When you look at the mystery hotel’s details page, you can see the TripAdvisor rating, the bed type for two-bedded rooms, the price, and the resort fee. Compare these to the information for the candidate hotels, and rule out any hotels that don’t match. As you rule out each hotel, close the corresponding tab. If it matches, keep it open.</li>
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We know that our “mystery” hotel has a crossed-out price of $324, a Trip Advisor rating of 4, over 2,000 TripAdvisor reviews, and has rooms with double-beds (and not queens). We also know that it has a resort fee of $32.
 
  
Hotwire deliberately shows a crossed-out “regular” price, and a resort fee that doesn’t exactly match their regular hotel price or the real resort fee; that would make things too easy. However, the price will be in the same ballpark, and the resort fee will always be a bit higher than the real resort fee. So, we are looking for a hotel with similar, but not identical prices.
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Then sort by guest rating and move down the listings until you find the guest rating that corresponds to the hotel. Expedia doesn't always list these strictly by rating, so you might need to check a little above and a little below the main set of hotels with matching ratings.  
  
Also, Hotwire treats “Condo hotels”, “Boutique hotels” and “Resort hotels” as special categories. Therefore, we can rule out the two Marriotts, the Westin Villas, and the Honua Kai—they are all Condo hotels, and their prices are too different from the crossed-out price. We can also rule out the Ka’anapali Alii for being a Condo hotel, and the lack of availability. It also can’t be the Hyatt, as they don’t have any rooms with 2 double beds.  
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At this point, we’ve narrowed it down to the Westin or the Sheraton. Both hotels have prices and resort fees in the right ballpark, get a 4 rating on TripAdvisor, have over 2,000 TripAdvisor reviews, and have rooms with 2 double beds.  
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<li>'''Look for a hotel that matches the details of the hidden hotel'''. The number of reviews is usually a little higher on the main Expedia site than on Hotwire, but should be close. The actual rating number should match, but there is a small chance it won't, if has moved up or down recently.  If there is a crossed-out price on Hotwire, the price on Expedia is almost always exactly $1 or $2 higher.</li>
  
<li>'''Now look at the amenities'''. You want to look for any less typical amenities that are listed for the mystery hotel. In this case, Hotwire mentions pets and an airport shuttle. If you search the Westin webpage, both are mentioned. If you look at the Sheraton web page, neither are listed. Voila, we are almost certainly getting the Westin—and that is indeed the identity of the mystery hotel.</li></ol>
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In our example, you can see that the Embassy Suites Pioneer Square is a good match for the $131 hotel.
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'''Things are a harder in the less common case where Hotwire doesn't show a crossed out price or the number of user reviews'''. In that case, you'll need to more carefully look at the hotel's exact amenities and neighborhood information in order to attempt to uncover the matching hotel.
  
 
=== Some helpful websites ===
 
=== Some helpful websites ===

Revision as of 23:31, 9 June 2021

  Save Money on All Your Travel ReservationsGet a Great Hotel Rate with Hotwire (and Other 'Opaque' Booking Tools)

Using Hotwire is a great way to save significant amounts of money on hotel rooms. On Hotwire, you are not supposed to know what hotel you are getting, until after you complete your reservation. However, it is usually possible to figure out the exact hotel you are going to get, before you book.

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Easy hotels

It is extremely easy to uncover the name of many of Hotwire's "secret" hotels. When you click on the secret hotel's "What hotel will I get?" button, Hotwire will often show you the name of three possible hotels.

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Every time you close the possible hotel list and re-open it, Hotwire will show a slightly different list.

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By the time you do it 2-4 times, you will notice that only a single hotel shows up every time.

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In this example, you'll be guaranteed to get the Fairmont Olympic, as it is the only hotel to show up every time the guaranteed list is displayed.

Unfortunately, for some hotels, Hotwire doesn't show a list of three hotels. They only show some potential hotel brands. For those hotels, you'll need to do more work.

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Harder hotels

On and off over the last couple of years, Hotwire has been showing the "exact" number of user reviews for each of its hidden hotels and each of its "standard rate" hotels. As a result, you could very quickly uncover the identity of the hotel by simply matching the two listings with the exact same number of reviews (and hotel rating). To make things simpler, you could sort and filter the list, so that the secret hotel listing and the corresponding named hotel were often displayed directly adjacent to each other in the search results.

Unfortunately, Hotwire has been limiting the number of hotel results on every search, so that very few "Standard Rate" hotels are included in the results. As a result, you often can't simply locate the named hotel in Hotwire's own search results.

To find the matching hotels, you'll need to compare the Hotwire hidden hotel listings to the regular listings on another Expedia-family website.

For example, here's a potentially interesting listing from our example search in Seattle that unfortunately doesn't show actual hotels when you click "What hotel will I get?".

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In the past (and hopefully in the future), you only needed to find the regular hotel listing on Hotwire for a 3.5 star hotel with a 4.6 rating, and exactly 1,036 user reviews. For the time being, you'll need to find it on another site. $198.

  • Search for hotels on Expedia or another Expedia family site. Search for the same dates and location as you do on Hotwire.
  • To make it easy to find the hotel, filter by star rating and sort by guest rating. You need to filter or sort by star rating in order to get them to display for each hotel. We suggest filtering by star rating so that you can sort by guest rating.
  • In this example, we filter by three (and three-and-a-half) star hotels. If you wanted to match a bunch of hotels, match the 5 star, 4 and 4.5 star, and 3 and 3.5 star hotels as separate groups.

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    Then sort by guest rating and move down the listings until you find the guest rating that corresponds to the hotel. Expedia doesn't always list these strictly by rating, so you might need to check a little above and a little below the main set of hotels with matching ratings.

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  • Look for a hotel that matches the details of the hidden hotel. The number of reviews is usually a little higher on the main Expedia site than on Hotwire, but should be close. The actual rating number should match, but there is a small chance it won't, if has moved up or down recently. If there is a crossed-out price on Hotwire, the price on Expedia is almost always exactly $1 or $2 higher.
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    In our example, you can see that the Embassy Suites Pioneer Square is a good match for the $131 hotel.

Things are a harder in the less common case where Hotwire doesn't show a crossed out price or the number of user reviews. In that case, you'll need to more carefully look at the hotel's exact amenities and neighborhood information in order to attempt to uncover the matching hotel.

Some helpful websites

There are a handful of websites that try to help you identify Hotwire hotels. They can all be helpful, but unfortunately none of them are a completely reliable substitute to the more time-consuming approach described above.

  • Better Bidding is a forum where people provide information about the hotels that they wound up getting on Hotwire. They then compile a list of all the reported hotels for each “type”, “star rating”, and “location”. You can look through this list for matches—the hotel that you are likely to get will usually be listed. However, it won’t always include your hotel, the list of amenities doesn’t always exactly match, and you can’t see some of the other important clues, such as TripAdvisor information. So, while it is probably the best of these options, it isn’t totally reliable.
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  • Hotel Deals Revealed has a list in a more useful format. However, it includes fewer of the possible hotels, because less people are reporting information. It might be easier to figure out the mystery hotel, but it also is more likely that the mystery hotel simply won’t be in the list.
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Convenient tools for Priceline Express Deals

We generally recommend using Hotwire because they provide essential information about every hotel as part of their website. However, Priceline is also a major player in the “opaque” pricing space (in addition to their famous “name your own price” hotel program).

If you use Priceline, a Chrome browser extension called Hotel Canary works to automatically uncover the identity of each hotel.

Once you see a list of the Priceline hotel express deals, you simply press the hotel canary button. Then, when you position your mouse over each hotel, the extension will either identify the probable hotel, or give you a few different likely possibilities.

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